The Politico Is Very Concerned

The Politico's lead story today begins in true Chicken Little fashion:

In the two months since Barack Obama captured the Democratic nomination, he has hit a ceiling in public opinion polling, proving unable to make significant gains with any segment of the national electorate.

While Obama still leads in most matchups with John McCain, the Illinois senator's apparent stall in the polls is a sobering reminder to Democrats intoxicated with his campaign's promises to expand the electoral map beyond the boundaries that have constrained other recent party nominees.

Umm, if by "expanding the electoral map" you mean winning, well, he sort of is, by the looks of recent national and state polling. In fact yet another national poll out today from Time Magazine has Obama holding steady with a 5% lead. Usually when a lead such as the one Obama has had for a couple months now (4-7 points) persists, that's a good thing. One might call it a "solid" or "unwavering" lead. But no. Not our old friends at The Politico:

Three demographic groups have generally kept Obama ahead in the past two months: African-Americans, youth and Hispanics. But a lead based on those groups is a tenuous one. The youth vote, notorious for not meeting expectations, must turn out in significantly higher numbers than in past elections. Obama must continue to win the black vote nearly unanimously and still turn out new African-American voters. McCain must continue to underperform with Hispanics by about 10 percentage points compared to Bush in the summer of 2004.

Oh no!

The piece does acknowledge that if Obama is stalled, well, then McCain is too:

McCain might also be said to have hit a ceiling himself. At best, he has statistically tied Obama for fleeting periods this summer.

But in the end, you knew it had to be good news for McCain.

Yet in this Democratic year, the subject that dominates chatter among pollsters is Obama's stubbornly slim lead.

Umm, can I just state the obvious, which is that if Barack Obama were to actually win by 4-7% on November 4, and if he were to take the electoral college by the 325-213 margin currently on the MyDD Poll Watcher, or even by FiveThirtyEight's more scientific 293-245, that would be considered a freakin landslide?

Of course, I guess that doesn't make such a good story.

I'll leave you with a reality check from Nate Silver from a week ago:

If you had told a Democrat a year ago that, on the last day of July, their candidate would be ahead in Ohio and Florida, well ahead in Pennsylvania , way ahead in California, tied in Montana, within single digits in a couple of states that went really red in 2000 and 2004, they'd be pretty thrilled with that set of polling.

Update [2008-8-6 18:56:58 by Todd Beeton]:Oh no! A new CBS News poll has Obama leading McCain by 6%...the same % he was leading him last month. Obama's screwed.



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Re: The Politico Is Very Concerned (2.00 / 1)

How sweet it is.


by QTG on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 06:16:03 PM EST

I think it's more about expectations (none / 0)

Senator Obama began his run as a candidate who could transform the electoral landscape.   A win is a win and it's great, but if he manages a 52 to 48 triumph while flipping a few close slates he hasn't transformed the landscape.  He's just performed along with party expectations in a highly favorable year for Democrats.  But after the last 8 years, I couldn't care less how we win.


by activatedbybush on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 06:22:01 PM EST

Re: I think it's more about expectations (2.00 / 2)

seriously, though, he is up a few points in polls against a dude who in the same polls is rolling a 55% approval rating or above, that is impressive. He is not running against Mitch McConnel or Dickhead Cheney or the like, he's running against media darling and "maverick, independant, John Q Public, Mr. I have 15 houses but I'm Mr. Everyman" ohn McCain.


by Dog Chains on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 07:10:25 PM EST
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Re: The Politico Is Very Concerned (2.00 / 3)

Pollster showing Barack 284, McCain 157, Undecided 97.

Someone tell me how Bush can win by three (3) percentage points and the pundits call it a landslide, while Barack's constant 4-6 point lead is treated as if he's the underdog!

http://pollster.com/


by Bob Miller on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 06:23:02 PM EST

Re: The Politico Is Very Concerned (2.00 / 1)

Because no matter how many times they are insulted by the right for their "bias", they just want to be loved!!!!


by Dog Chains on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 06:48:39 PM EST
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Re: The Politico Is Very Concerned (none / 0)

Nice pice.

Does anyone know when in the last 48 years (argubly the modern era) has a non-imcumbent pres nominee of any party ever been ahead by, say, eight points in early August polling?

I can't recall any time, maybe going back to Ike in '52? If anyone has any data, please post it.

This can't-close-the-deal crap pushed by Will, Novak (hope his health improves), and others is bullshit.

See http://malcontends.blogspot.com/2008/07/ novak-wrong-in-calling-steady-five.html


by MAL Contends on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 06:32:54 PM EST

Re: The Politico Is Very Concerned (2.00 / 1)

Politico swings with the prevailing winds, this weeks story is "Obama has peaked, he's not the phenom..." and they are running with it.

They, and CNN and MSNBC need a story, so if McCain release an ad with Paris Hilton that hardly anyone would see if they didn't run it 6 times between 5 and 9 EST on ever show, they want to create as well as deliver the news.  Makes them feel..important?

They ain't. Political junkies like us care, the media digs them, not so much the general public.

No one will care if Obama wins by 20% or 1%.

What MAY turn out is, not only is the old line media NOT important anymore, but the old style registered voters land line phone polls aren't relevant anymore either. The certainly got it wrong a lot in the primary?

We might all be surprised, but thinking Political is nothing but a microphone inside the echo chamber is 20th century thinking.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 06:35:09 PM EST

Keep it up, Corporate Shills. (none / 0)

You're just keeping us from slacking off.


by Bush Bites on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 06:35:18 PM EST

Re: The Politico Is Very Concerned (2.00 / 4)

The article also asks why can't Obama get over 50% in the polls? Well if you look at the RCP polling average from 2004, it shows that Kerry was never above 50% and Bush was only above 50% for about three days during the entire election. So the fact that Obama regularly polls at 47-49% is significant as is the fact, admitted by the Politico in this article, that Obama's RCP average of 46.6% is the same that it was at the beginning of June. And that is higher than Kerry's was for all but a few days in 2008.

The real story is that McCain has been unable to gain any ground on Obama in two months of trying, that he has not developed a coherent theme, that his campaign cannot even build a crowd for him-so for example today he attended a football practice and toured a kitchen supply company. Yesterday, he held a "telephone town hall" with Pennsylvania voters, an event that generates no visuals and virtually no national, state or local press coverage. In fact, the only reason to have such an event is to make the candidate think that he campaigning, when in reality the campaign has failed to find a real campaign event for him. When you see McCain on his own, as in Sturgis South Dakota, yesterday, he is so incoherent and shrill that it leads one to wonder if the strategy of the McCain campaign might be to have him say as little as possible to avoid those senior moments.

It will be interesting to see how long McCain will allow them to control him in this way.  


by tiger547 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 06:40:09 PM EST

Re: The Politico Is Very Concerned (2.00 / 1)

Well to be certain, the John McCain Campaign for President 2008 does not represent the views of John McCain.  And yeah, phone townhall meetings are better for him, any more crypt keeper crazy eyed smiles from him and and I'm selling my teevee


by KLRinLA on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 06:52:55 PM EST
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Horserace memo is good for business (none / 0)

But I will keep mentioning it because it needs to besaid over and over again until people hear it. In every poll, McCain somehow scores a freakishly high low to mid 50% or higher favorability rating, so infusing the current Republican troubles without recognizing that he is right now not part of them (even if he is a big proponent of most of their foolhardy ideas) will do no good. Unless the narrative turns to McCain, he will skirt by on the notion that somehow he's different, which is not a negative reflection on our candidate and NO OTHER DEMOCRAT would see much difference IMHO


by Dog Chains on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 06:47:30 PM EST

Re: The Politico Is Very Concerned (2.00 / 2)

I'll take 5%.


by Skaje on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 06:53:41 PM EST

Re: The Politico Is Very Concerned (2.00 / 1)

yup.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 07:06:25 PM EST
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Re: The Politico Is Very Concerned (2.00 / 1)

That's weird, there is actually less anonymity in a phone poll than there is at the voting booth, so I would think that people who would ever feel that way, probably live in areas where they would get looked at funny if they said they were voting for a black guy (family, friends at home, or even just talking at the bbq in general).  Those people say McCain because they don't want to get harassed, but then go and vote Obama.  

Obama's lead is unwavering and voting results will increase based on the above.  


by KLRinLA on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 06:59:22 PM EST

Re: The Politico Is Very Concerned (2.00 / 3)

Wow, first post ever.  And, such a subtle name!

Could this be the birth of a brand new sock-puppet!

Careful, I hear when newly born, they can urp up their formulae a lot....


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 07:02:35 PM EST

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by Dog Chains on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 07:12:13 PM EST
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Re: The Politico Is Very Concerned (none / 0)

Impressive.  Is that the Trojan Horse?  Did they have concern trolls then?


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 07:22:45 PM EST
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Re: The Politico Is Very Concerned (none / 0)

not sure, I stole it from another sie because I liked it. search engines my friend.


by Dog Chains on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 08:45:12 PM EST
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Re: The Politico Is Very Concerned (none / 0)

Good post, Todd.  After seeing the two new polls I headed over expecting to see something exactly like this, and you didn't disappoint.  

Anyone saying this is bad for Obama - - please.  Just stop.  

Also, great comments above by MAL Contends and tiger547 - - I love the hilarious, and quite accurate, portrayal of McSame having to be steered around to manufactured events, like the Sausage Haus or the Pennsylvania supermaket.  


by wavery2001 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 07:07:33 PM EST

Re: The Politico Is Very Concerned (2.00 / 1)

The Sausage Haus is my new name for the Republican National Convention.


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 07:23:43 PM EST
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I think we got lost (none / 0)

in some sort of fantasy that we were going to win the Presidency in a landslide. That doesn't happen anymore...not in this divided country. Even in 2006 House election, Democrats only got 52% of the popular vote nationwide and won by 8%.

The very idea that Democrats were going to somehow run 10%-20% up in polls is ridiculous. ESPECIALLY against John McCain. You think the Republicans are stupid? No way. New Hampshire Republicans went to the polls in January and decided between Mitt Romney, who trailed big, and John McCain, who trailed narrowly. They chose the guy most likely to win. The Republicans voted for no other reason than to have a chance at winning. The Democrats, for the most part, voted for the candidate they really wanted to be President, regardless of whether or not he or she polled well.

Obama is ahead by 6%? That's great considering Clinton beat Bush by 6% in 1992.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 07:31:05 PM EST

Folks (2.00 / 1)

He's an African-American, with the name Barack Hussein Obama!  Did you really think this was going to be a landslide?  And if Obama were to win by just 4-5% he'd be hovering around 300+ E.V. (the most in over a decade).


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a century.
by jkfp2004 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 07:36:05 PM EST

Re: Folks (none / 0)

Exactly.

My goodness, keep in mind, in his parents life time there were at least 12 states they could not even have gotten legally married in!

Now, he is asking some of those same people to make him President?

It's a miracle he is getting ANY white votes of people over 50 years old in the south, let alone keeping it close against McCain!

Anyone that thought he would be leading in double digits is just crazy!


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 08:05:03 PM EST
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Re: The Politico Is Very Concerned (none / 0)

I think the Bradley effect, which you are referring to, is something that has lessened with time.  There was no noticeable Bradley effect with either Harold Ford Jr. in TN, or with Deval Patrick in MA, two states with very unfriendly racial histories.  If anything, with the case of Harold Ford, we saw a reverse Bradley effect, as he did several points better than polls had predicted.  And save NH, this  year's primaries showed nearly no polling surprises.  


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for a century.
by jkfp2004 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 07:41:31 PM EST

Re: The Politico Is Very Concerned (none / 0)

I don't have a link to it, but they completed a study not too long ago that showed if anything, there is sometimes a REVERSE Bradley effect. The Bradley effect was prevalent in the early 90s, but it has since lost its power.

Barryo, please let me know the results of your own study.


"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."
by vcalzone on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 07:59:14 PM EST
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McCain poll numbers crater to new historical lows (2.00 / 1)

This is a headline which is true but that you will never see. Today the Time poll  has Obama- 46% and McCain-41% and the CBS poll has Obama-45% and McCain-39%. The Time poll said that Obama was more likable by a staggering 65% to 20%!

According to the RCP polling data, Bush did not fall below 42% at any time after July 7, 2004 in any national poll taken. After August 24, 2004, only one national poll ever showed Bush below 46% at any time.

Republicans have lost 3 million registered voters nationwide. In North Carolina, of the 250,000 voters that have registered this year, only 17, 000 are GOP voters. McCain is in very serious trouble right now and is hanging on by a thread. If he were to fall off a stage, be hospitalized or have to rest due to "exhaustion", then his support would collapse overnight.


by tiger547 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 07:42:26 PM EST

We're Dooooooomed! (none / 0)

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo oooo....


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 08:26:52 PM EST

Re: We're Dooooooomed! (none / 0)

It's true.

It scares the hell out of me how McShame keeps hovering right near that sweet floor of 38 percent.

I mean, Jeebus look at the obvious advantage that gives him, with no likely place to go but up.

I just wish Obama could break through that stubborn floor of 45%, so that he could share in McClown's obviously advantageous position.


by klevenstein on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 11:47:24 PM EST
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Some of the polling is robo-calling (none / 0)

People tend to be honest when having a conversation with a robot.  
Most of the calls are to people who voted in the last election cycle - and as pointed out in a comment above - are to landlines.  

Lots of folks don;t have landlines any more.


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by NeciVelez on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 11:15:40 PM EST


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